HV Dragon Preview - Mirumoto Toraizo

[Mirumoto Rinjin]

Sure, but Robun has a good ability, and our guy has zero. I prefer the former before the later.

[Kitsuki Shin]

right in that comparesin Robun comes out ahead for a blitz deck (even out of this SH). Same GC, off the box HR, Tactician printed and a non-tactical ability. However if there are/where good scout actions out there, then Toraizo might come out ahead.

The same GC, but Robun has 2F and our guy has 3F.

I'll gladly sacrifice a single force for a meaningful text box.

[TheQuark]

Why would you possibly want to run Robun over Toraizo in a Dragon deck?  Robun has weaker stats, and is more expensive if you've gained honour (which I hear is not particularly hard).  I'm not sold hard enough on Robun's ability to bother really caring about that part.  The whole point behind running tacticians in Dragon in my opinion is that it allows you to Supstrat duels, and with Toraizo I can discard lower focus cards to pump his force and take provinces.

[Noriyuke Roji]

I am with Quark here. Robun is superior in a Lion deck, Toraizo far superior in a Dragon one.

Simply viewed.

[TheQuark]

Plus, Toraizo can be turned into a paragon.  Cause clearly it's all about the paragons.

[ramela]

I'm not sold hard enough on Robun's ability to bother really caring about that part. 

Agreed.

Seriously, I have *NEVER*, ever, seen or heard about anyone ever using Robun's ability even once.

[Togashi Shinichi]

which scout action do you think benefits us the most ?

I am not the one to ask about this, because I have little experience with these sorts of decks.  The people blitzing with MST in early Samurai would be able to answer this better than I would.  So would Shinichi, who likes trying crazy things out of Dragon before they become supported by actual Dragon Clan cards.

I usually combine Scouts and followers. I don't such much point in running one without the other in a clan where the Scout trait is rare. You need the Scout trait on the followers to have the consistency to run the deck.

So my advice is play Scout actions that trigger only on the trait (not on a personality with the trait). My personal choices (consider that I haven't played in 3 months and don't know newer cards that well) would be We Stand Ready and Superior Positioning (without the chain). SP is not a plus card generally, but it is a costless Scout action you can play in defense, which is important for defensive movement if Ideal Conditions popped.

If a better Open, costless Scout action has become available in the promo set or this new set, go with that over SP.

[Togashi Shinichi]

Retribution + Ideal Conditions.  Awww yeah...  Tactician/Scout Blitz sounds like it has some real potential out of the new stronghold.

This guy doesn't really lend to blitz though, his 8 HR means you either need to pay full for another personality (one you might otherwise pay for reduced) or his GC is actually 2 more. The strongest argument I have seen for this guy so far is the scout trait, but there's about 2 ok scout actions atm which leaves me less than impressed.

That being said, if you want to do some sort of honorable switch out of this, I think he's a great choice, you just aren't likely to see him in any other kind of deck/SH

No, not honor switch. Blitz claims are overstated, but two-unit strike on turn 4, possibly for two provinces is not. Don't forget to use the box's action after tactician. It effectively turns the tactician action into two bonuses.

[Daramere]

No, not honor switch. Blitz claims are overstated, but two-unit strike on turn 4, possibly for two provinces is not. Don't forget to use the box's action after tactician. It effectively turns the tactician action into two bonuses.

While the wording of the above is unclear as to whether the two provinces comment was related to the Tactician comment, let me note that you cannot use the box as a battle action to target guys who are not at the current battlefield, which makes it difficult to double-up on the Tactician bonus to take two provinces.

I know I'm repeating myself, and my apologies if everyone realizes the above rules by now, but I'm overly interested in stamping out common rules misconceptions and this one has come up more than once before this.

[Togashi Shinichi]

No, not honor switch. Blitz claims are overstated, but two-unit strike on turn 4, possibly for two provinces is not. Don't forget to use the box's action after tactician. It effectively turns the tactician action into two bonuses.

While the wording of the above is unclear as to whether the two provinces comment was related to the Tactician comment, let me note that you cannot use the box as a battle action to target guys who are not at the current battlefield, which makes it difficult to double-up on the Tactician bonus to take two provinces.

I know I'm repeating myself, and my apologies if everyone realizes the above rules by now, but I'm overly interested in stamping out common rules misconceptions and this one has come up more than once before this.

You have to have movement capability. My context for the comment was in relation to Scout Military out of Dragon (see the post previous), which expects to move around when striking. Standard fare for Scout Military.

[Kitsuki Shin]

I still don't see the big threat by turn 4. Due to how lethal battles are these days without cavalry or built in movement on multiple cheap(ish) people, I just see assaulting 2 provinces that early as bound to backfire on at least one of them. But then again, I tend to come off as a bit of a pessimist (I'm avoiding actually saying I am one as I prefer to attribute it to being cautious. However the former is likely correct)

[Aldorath]

Boxable tacticians in dragon? Someone infiltrated us from the fields to the west, didn't they >.> Gogo box with mountain!

[Mirumoto Taro]

And now with a Gempukku Blade we have a 6g 6/4 Tactician peep out of the M.F. Castle

Sweet!!!

[Togashi Hibiki]

Not understanding you people.  Who cares if you can't run him with MST or TKM?  Why is this an issue?

[Kitsuki Shin]

Not understanding you people.  Who cares if you can't run him with MST or TKM?  Why is this an issue?

It bothers me particularly because I like Samurai Edition largely because most of the personalities in the set aren't so SH specific. It's something I hated about Lotus, the janky SHs and how most personalities had to be designed specifically for one SH or another. Seeing this trend again, no matter how small, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.